March 22, 2010
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mummerts
Posts: 3
Joined: 2007-09-19

With all respect to Art Pine, I have to take exception with his story about getting his Captain's license.  While it is an enjoyable (or perhaps frightening) discussion of his personal experience, I would hate to think that people reading the article would believe that all classes are taught in this manner.

 I have been teaching for one of the "three weekend" companies for two years.  In addition, I have taken and audited courses from other companies and other instructors.  I have never come upon an instructor who acted in the manner Art describes.  Personally, I have found most instructors to be knowledgeable and personable, interacting with the class on a friendly but professional level.  Most of the instructors that I have dealt with use "sea stories" to illustrate the points they are trying to make and do not take the "it's the rules, just memorize it" approach. 

 Perhaps part of the stress of Art's class dealt with the pressure of trying to learn and retain all of the information in a relatively short period of time - one of the advantages of the "three weekend" courses over the "seven day" courses is that the student is given more time to study and learn between the weekends and the instructor is available to answer questions.  I have taken courses in the format Art describes and there is significant pressure to get through the material - however, as I said above, I've often found in these situations that the instructor works to minimize the stress, not increase it.

Finally, I must take exception with Art's statement that the "three weekend" courses tend to have a higher failure rate.  I do not know where he got his information for this statement, but based on his class' "failure" rate of 20 percent, I would say that his course ranks below those that I have taught.  My "failure" rate hovers in the 10% range and that would be a student that fails one section of the four sections that I teach.  I have never had a student fail more than two of the four sections and, in those cases, the student usually failed one of the sections by only one question.  The student usually reviews the material and retakes only the section that they failed.  While it is an annoying extra step, it is certainly not the end of the world.  In addition, I have always made myself available after the completion of my courses for students who need additional time to pass a section. 

 I certainly do not want to steer anyone away from 3 Bs Captains School.  I know people who took their course and passed the test and were happy with their experience.  However, I would hate to think that someone reading that article would judge all schools by that experience.  As in most things, there are different paths to the end and if the path that Art describes does not sound like a "rewarding" experience, I would recommend that the student look at all the different options available.



daveyjones
Posts: 2
Joined: 2008-01-29

I attended the same school as did Art and I too experienced ... a lot of stress.  I still think that this is one of the hardest courses I have ever taken!  It was the week long format.  I don't think the instructor, Fred, intended to make the course stressfull.  We the students put the stress on ourselves.  I think Fred is one of the best instructors I have ever had!! With the amount of material to be covered in the OUPV course, it was overwhelming at the onset.  In the class I took, most of the 15 students thought we were "pretty sharp" on the topics before starting the class.  By Wedsnesday (third full day) we were ALL equally aware that we had a LONG way to go to master all of the material!  When I drive by the hotel where I took the course, I still re-live those intense feelings ... for a few seconds!  I now teach the course and most students are also overwhelmed after the first two or three days. What I can see as an instructor and not from perspective of a student in Fred's class, is the students go from overwhelmed to ... this isn't so bad ... to I think I've got it!  The percentage of students passing is about 85-100% usually dependent  on the amount of study time.  I have about the same number of students acing the exams as do not pass.  Most classes I teach are 20-25 students where Fred's classes are usually 15 as I recall.  Recommendations:  If anyone is interested in taking the OUPV (six pack) course ... DO IT!  It is a lot of work, but very rewarding.  Although you may not jump right in to a cool captains job, you know that you are more qualified to do so and more knowledgeable for you own seamanship experiences.  As always, what student puts into the program is about what they get out.



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